Concepts what we did with that we sat down the three of us with just markers and pencils and pens and we had a big sheet of paper	and we just kind of went nuts as far as just put everything out there on the table.  Original we had this animal crossing so these animals were like from panel to panel their motion was translating into the next panel and so forth.  Very colorful and then we had the concept of the sky race so we just mocked them up.  They sort of wanted like a hybrid of the two so we met with them and as a team, Justin Jordan and I,  we decided which was the stronger of the two concepts and then we decided to pull what would work from the other one into the sky race.   That made it all the more exciting because there was no one sided thing we all had an investment in this final piece that we were going to give empire.  ItŐs larger than words you know so.  This is  you know an opportunity of a lifetime and a project that scale sort of like it just gives you this unlimited energy and that right there you know thatŐs a nice incentive you know to 
be passionate about what youŐre doing. Round the clock.  Just keep your goal you know in perspective.  Be real.  As fantastical as you want to be you know your still designing a piece of art for the real world.  When people understood the context then thatŐs when they started to understand and appreciate the piece and how it was going to serve downtown.